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benghazi is a city that we defended. how could we not have known that based on the instances that we are hearing about now that something might happen on 9/11? it was a massive failure of intelligence which is a possibility. the state department thought it was operate nothing a benign environment that it didn't need to gather intelligence and i am worried, it is more likely the latter explanation and it speaks to a world view that is flawed. ip supported overthrowing gaddafi once he threatened with terrorism. but who do you replace him? here 18 months after it started. the writ of the central government does not run country wide. there is it a risk of fralmentation and terrorist will take root in the meditarianium. and this is spreading in the region. and we don't understand what the risks are. president likes to say gaddafi is overturned without any american casulties. there is an un envoy to talk to president assaud. he killed 20,000, of his own people. does the un really think he will help us with this? >> the envoy m
benghazi is a city that we defended. how could we not have known that based on the instances that we are hearing about now that something might happen on 9/11? it was a massive failure of intelligence which is a possibility. the state department thought it was operate nothing a benign environment that it didn't need to gather intelligence and i am worried, it is more likely the latter explanation and it speaks to a world view that is flawed. ip supported overthrowing gaddafi once he threatened...
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benghazi is a city that we defended. how could we not have known that based on the instances that we are hearing about now that something might happen on 9/11? it was a massive failure of intelligence which is a possibility. the state department thought it was operate nothing a benign environment that it didn't need to gather intelligence and i am worried, it is more likely the latter explanation and it speaks to a world view that is flawed. ip supported overthrowing gaddafi once he threatened with terrorism. but who do you replace him? here 18 months after it started. the writ of the central government does not run country wide. there is it a risk of fralmentation and terrorist will take root in the meditarianium. and this is spreading in the region. and we don't understand what the risks are. president likes to say gaddafi is overturned without any american casulties. there is an un envoy to talk to president assaud. he killed 20,000, of his own people. does the un really think he will help us with this? >> the envoy m
benghazi is a city that we defended. how could we not have known that based on the instances that we are hearing about now that something might happen on 9/11? it was a massive failure of intelligence which is a possibility. the state department thought it was operate nothing a benign environment that it didn't need to gather intelligence and i am worried, it is more likely the latter explanation and it speaks to a world view that is flawed. ip supported overthrowing gaddafi once he threatened...
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first of all, we had no actionable intelligence to suggest that any attack on our facility in benghazi was imminent. in cairo, we did have indications that there was the risk that the video might spark some protests, and our embassy, in fact, acted accordingly, and had called upon the egyptian authorities to reinforce our facility. what we have seen with respect to the security response, obviously, we had security personnel in benghazi, a significant number, and tragically, among those four that were killed were two of our security personnel. but what happened, obviously, overwhelmed the security we had in place, which is why the president ordered additional reinforcements to tripoli and why elsewhere in the world we have been working with governments to ensure they take up their obligations to protect us and we reinforce where necessary. >> the president and secretary of state have talked about a mob mentality. that's my words, not their words, but they talked about the tyranny of mobs. operating in this part of the world. here is the reality. if you look at foreign aid, u.s. direct f
first of all, we had no actionable intelligence to suggest that any attack on our facility in benghazi was imminent. in cairo, we did have indications that there was the risk that the video might spark some protests, and our embassy, in fact, acted accordingly, and had called upon the egyptian authorities to reinforce our facility. what we have seen with respect to the security response, obviously, we had security personnel in benghazi, a significant number, and tragically, among those four...
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easrn time, they the american embassy in the -- in benghazi killing 4 including ambassador stevens. >> this should shock people of around the world. >> at 10:00, romney issued a statement that it was that the obama administration's first response condemn attacks but with those who the attacks. 10:00, politico quoted the administration saying the statement by embasassy cairo was by washgton and not reflect the views of the united states government. on thursday, t wall street that romney's -- politicalcalled the pas was to attack pundit class. do you believe that? evan? putthis is war room bluster out by the young people. this idea you have to attack away is mindless. i do not think it will ick. >> earlier in the week,ou telling roey to go to he. thoughts onon that? >> no second thoughts. i believ the timeline you gave vindicates what romney did. you said the statement was issued in the afternoon. the white house and obama were about it. no withdrawn until romney said a disgrace, which it was. all of audden the state was notnt says it authorized? statementhe only out of this administrat
easrn time, they the american embassy in the -- in benghazi killing 4 including ambassador stevens. >> this should shock people of around the world. >> at 10:00, romney issued a statement that it was that the obama administration's first response condemn attacks but with those who the attacks. 10:00, politico quoted the administration saying the statement by embasassy cairo was by washgton and not reflect the views of the united states government. on thursday, t wall street that...
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he spent a lost time in benghazi and was a friend of chris stevens. paul wolfowitz was the secretary of defense under president george. with bush and the president of the world bank and tariq ramadan. he's an author. ramadan's grandfather was the founder of the muslim brotherhood. bernard, tell us what you can tell us about libya. does this -- does this -- do these events mean that libya has gone seriously awry? >> i would like first of all, fareed, to tell you what i know and what i remember about ambassador stevens. he was a great guy, a great fellow, great ambassador, and a great american. he was the embodiment of the best and his death is terrible loss for all of us and a loss for libya, and a loss for libya. what the imbeseals who kills him probably did not know is he was one of the best friends libya all around the world. if the dictatorship of gadhafi failed it is due in a big part to ambassador chris stevens and i want to pay him homage today before anything else. >> but what does it tell you about libya? have the extremists become so strong i
he spent a lost time in benghazi and was a friend of chris stevens. paul wolfowitz was the secretary of defense under president george. with bush and the president of the world bank and tariq ramadan. he's an author. ramadan's grandfather was the founder of the muslim brotherhood. bernard, tell us what you can tell us about libya. does this -- does this -- do these events mean that libya has gone seriously awry? >> i would like first of all, fareed, to tell you what i know and what i...
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consultate in benghazi that killed four americans including ambassador chris stevens. the top libyan official now says that the attack on tuesday was quote his words preplanned. al-qaeda says the operation was revenge for our killing a top al-qaeda leader. what do we know? >> first of all, chris, we are are obviously investigating this very closely. the fbi has the lead in this investigation. the information the best information and the best assessment we have today is that in fact this was not a preplanned premeditated attack. that what happened initially was that it was a spontaneous rehe action to what had just transpired in cairo as a consequence of the video. that people quartered outside of the emba -- people gathered outside of the embassy and then it grew very violent and those with extremist ties joined the fray and came it heavy weapons which unfortunately are quite common in post revolutionary libya and that then spun out of control. but we don't see at this point signs that this was a coordinated planned premeditated attack. obviously we will wait for the r
consultate in benghazi that killed four americans including ambassador chris stevens. the top libyan official now says that the attack on tuesday was quote his words preplanned. al-qaeda says the operation was revenge for our killing a top al-qaeda leader. what do we know? >> first of all, chris, we are are obviously investigating this very closely. the fbi has the lead in this investigation. the information the best information and the best assessment we have today is that in fact this...
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security have been tighter at that consulate given the history of terror activity in benghazi? >>guest: obviously we did have a strong security presence and, unfortunately, two of the four americans who died in benghazi were there to provide security. obviously it wasn't sufficient in the circumstances to prevent the overrun of the consulate. this is among the things that, obviously, will be looked at, as the investigation unfolds --. >>chris: could it have been stronger? >>guest: is why we have upped our presence in tripoli and other parts of the world. chris, we have to see what the assessment reveals. obviously, there was a significant security preparation defending our consulate and our other facility in benghazi and that did not prove sufficient to the moment. >>chris: ambassador rice, thank you very much for coming in today and discussing the fast-moving developments in that part of the world. >> next, the head of the house intelligence committee with the latest on who was behind the debtly attack on our diplomats. one, two, three, four ♪ ♪ you say ♪ flip it over an
security have been tighter at that consulate given the history of terror activity in benghazi? >>guest: obviously we did have a strong security presence and, unfortunately, two of the four americans who died in benghazi were there to provide security. obviously it wasn't sufficient in the circumstances to prevent the overrun of the consulate. this is among the things that, obviously, will be looked at, as the investigation unfolds --. >>chris: could it have been stronger?...
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the people were not speaking in benghazi. it w a handful of armed extremist. we were told if we are to the opposition, the country would be awash in weapons, so we did not arm the. -- arm them. now the guns are in the hands of people that are not friendly to the libyan people. maybe leadership is the wrong word. >> all right. >> thank you, both, very much indeed. now to the euro crisis. when they say smog-sounding britain -- not so fast. local authorities were sold financial products from banks based in london that they could not have understood. whistle-blowers within those banks highlighted what they thought were problematic were fired, and their complaints were routinely ignored. john lyon found out more. >> this is a tragedy of operatic proportions of london-based banks making massive profits of inappropriate deals in adelaide. we reveal the -- deals in italy. we revealed the deals that are pushing italy to the brink. >> at the surface, it was a great deal. the italians thought they would get the money basically for free. >> and the whistle-blowers telling
the people were not speaking in benghazi. it w a handful of armed extremist. we were told if we are to the opposition, the country would be awash in weapons, so we did not arm the. -- arm them. now the guns are in the hands of people that are not friendly to the libyan people. maybe leadership is the wrong word. >> all right. >> thank you, both, very much indeed. now to the euro crisis. when they say smog-sounding britain -- not so fast. local authorities were sold financial...
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consulate in benghazi that killed four american citizens. sean smith and ambassador chris stevens are among the identified. i didn't know sean smith. i know he is a great american who served his country. but i have gotten to know chris stevens quite well. in his death, the libyan people have lost a great champion and believer in the peaceful aspirations of their democratic revolution. the american people have lost a selfless and dedicated servant of our interests and our values. and i have lost a friend. my thoughts and prayers today are with chrises family and his loved ones and those of his fallen colleagues. our first order of business now is to make sure that our citizens living in libya and egypt and elsewhere across the region in the world are safe. americans look to the government in libya and egypt and elsewhere to meet their responsibilities in this regard. they also look to the libyan government to ensure that those responsible for yesterday's attack in benghazi are swiftly brought to justice. in all of these critical tasks, we are
consulate in benghazi that killed four american citizens. sean smith and ambassador chris stevens are among the identified. i didn't know sean smith. i know he is a great american who served his country. but i have gotten to know chris stevens quite well. in his death, the libyan people have lost a great champion and believer in the peaceful aspirations of their democratic revolution. the american people have lost a selfless and dedicated servant of our interests and our values. and i have lost...
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is a continuation of the arab spring, where many, it appears to be, the murder of the ambassador in benghazi and three other americans there. it appears to be clearly an assassination. >> the arab spring was never about democracy. we have a lot of bbc journalists reporting and talking to a few english-speaking, well groomed professional egyptians and then reading their facebook. they extrapolated from that very small example to say 100 billion egyptians wanted democracy. 100 billion egyptians wanted to get out from under hosey hosni mubarak and also wanted to assert their religious identity. the arab spring was an entire construction of mrs. clinton's mind and never really existed in the sense it was described. lou: secretary clinton saying that the ambassador has a loss to the arab spring. what is your reaction to those words and we have shared with the audience tonight? >> i think that clinton may know more about the middle east and jay carney, but not much. mrs. clinton has blood on her hands everywhere. they stuck the ambassador and his team into the middle of a city without guards and t
is a continuation of the arab spring, where many, it appears to be, the murder of the ambassador in benghazi and three other americans there. it appears to be clearly an assassination. >> the arab spring was never about democracy. we have a lot of bbc journalists reporting and talking to a few english-speaking, well groomed professional egyptians and then reading their facebook. they extrapolated from that very small example to say 100 billion egyptians wanted democracy. 100 billion...
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consulate in benghazi. and small wonder that last week in cairo, they were chanting obama-osama as they scaled the embassy walls. among the smart classes, much has been made of how the arab spring may turn to winter, without mentioning the dreaded domino theor theatmedia and politicals had seen as the dream of the golden dawn of peace of the middle east. what will they say now that their vision of arab unity is exposed for what it is, a boiling brew of anti-american enmity that flies in the face that moderate arabs abhor violence. moderates are the majority, they are just shy about speaking up. ambassador chris stevens was shown no mercy, neither was daniel pearl when al qaeda cut his throat, nor were the terrified occupants of the world trade center on september 11, 2001. 9/11 is what these latest atrocities are all about. punishing us, once more, to let us know they are still there. waiting. >> eric: west nile virus in the u.s., how bad it can get and where. we will have the latest, coming up next. whoa,
consulate in benghazi. and small wonder that last week in cairo, they were chanting obama-osama as they scaled the embassy walls. among the smart classes, much has been made of how the arab spring may turn to winter, without mentioning the dreaded domino theor theatmedia and politicals had seen as the dream of the golden dawn of peace of the middle east. what will they say now that their vision of arab unity is exposed for what it is, a boiling brew of anti-american enmity that flies in the...
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our assessment at the present is in fact it began spontaneously in benghazi as a reaction to what had transpired hours earlier in cairo where, of course, as you know, there was a violent protest outside of our embassy sparked by this hateful video. but soon after that spontaneous protest began outside of our consulate in benghazi, we believe that it looks like extremist elements, individuals, joined in that effort with heavy weapons of the sort that are, unfortunately, readily now available in libya post-revolution. and that it spun from there into something much, much more violent. >> schieffer: but you do not agree with him that this was something that had been plotted out several months ago? >> we do not-- we do not have information at present that leads us to conclude this was premeditated or preplanned. >> schieffer: do you agree or disagree with him that al qaeda had some part in this? >> well, we'll have to find out that out. i think it's clear there were extremist elements that joined in and escalated the violence. whether they were al qaeda affiliatees, whether they were liby
our assessment at the present is in fact it began spontaneously in benghazi as a reaction to what had transpired hours earlier in cairo where, of course, as you know, there was a violent protest outside of our embassy sparked by this hateful video. but soon after that spontaneous protest began outside of our consulate in benghazi, we believe that it looks like extremist elements, individuals, joined in that effort with heavy weapons of the sort that are, unfortunately, readily now available in...
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so far fbi investigators have not made it to benghazi as of yet. alex? >> nbc's ayman mohyeldin in benghazi. >>> month by month, the fed's new rescue plan for the economy. who's it supposed to help and when? you're watching "weekends with alex witt." ♪ [ acoustic guitar: slow ] [ barks ] ♪ [ upbeat ] [ barks ] beneful playful life is made with energy-packed wholesome grains... and real beef and egg. to help you put more play in your day. olaf's pizza palace gets the most rewards of any small business credit card! pizza!!!!! [ garth ] olaf's small business earns 2% cash back on every purchase, every day! put it on my spark card! [ high-pitched ] nice doin' business with you! [ garth ] why settle for less? great businesses deserve the most rewards! awesome!!! [ male announcer ] the spark business card from capital one. choose unlimited rewards with 2% cash back or double miles on every purchase, every day! what's in your wallet? >>> the instability in the middle east won't help us any at the gas pumps. as of today paying an average of $3.86 a gallon re
so far fbi investigators have not made it to benghazi as of yet. alex? >> nbc's ayman mohyeldin in benghazi. >>> month by month, the fed's new rescue plan for the economy. who's it supposed to help and when? you're watching "weekends with alex witt." ♪ [ acoustic guitar: slow ] [ barks ] ♪ [ upbeat ] [ barks ] beneful playful life is made with energy-packed wholesome grains... and real beef and egg. to help you put more play in your day. olaf's pizza palace gets the...
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consulate in benghazi. american violence is beginning to show signs of slowing, but tensions remain high. the state department is evacuating all family members and non-u.s. government personnel from tunisia and the sudan. we have a reporter on the ground in tunisia. >> reporter: shannon, no wonder the state department is concerned. we are back from the area around the u.s. embassy compound here in tunis. we scpaw heard amazing things. today, the compound is secure, tukneesian military very much present. but we are told they were nowhere to be found during key moments on friday, as protesters scaled the wall, mashed up the place before they were driven out. more shocking, is what we saw next door at the american school, that's a k-12, where over 600 kids of foreign parent, including 100 american children. take a look. at noon on friday, the playground at this tukneesian school would have been filled with young kids, some of them american. then the administrators got word that a violent protest was happening
consulate in benghazi. american violence is beginning to show signs of slowing, but tensions remain high. the state department is evacuating all family members and non-u.s. government personnel from tunisia and the sudan. we have a reporter on the ground in tunisia. >> reporter: shannon, no wonder the state department is concerned. we are back from the area around the u.s. embassy compound here in tunis. we scpaw heard amazing things. today, the compound is secure, tukneesian military...
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three others killed in tuesday's assault in benghazi. susan wright says evidence shows it was spontaneous and not planned but mike rogers says it's too soon to tell and that classified information, quote makes you stop for a minute and pause. and they disagree over whether the protests were sparked by the online video or by deep-seated anti-american sentiment. >> we're very vigilant. we are of the view this is not an expression of hostility in the broadest sense toward the united states or u.s. policy. it's approximately a reaction to this video. it's a hateful video that had nothing to do with the united states. >> if we all decide to rally around the video as the problem we are going to make a serious mistake and i think we're going to make diplomatic mistakes if we think that is the only reason people are showing up at our embassy and trying to conduct acts of violence. >>> rogers says there was too many coin denies including the anniversary of 9/11 and use of rockets and military coordination in the attack. in the view of the ambassa
three others killed in tuesday's assault in benghazi. susan wright says evidence shows it was spontaneous and not planned but mike rogers says it's too soon to tell and that classified information, quote makes you stop for a minute and pause. and they disagree over whether the protests were sparked by the online video or by deep-seated anti-american sentiment. >> we're very vigilant. we are of the view this is not an expression of hostility in the broadest sense toward the united states...
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on tuesday, a gunman joined the crowd outside the embassy in benghazi, libya. breechg the compound walls and killing christopher stevens, tyrone woods and glenn doherty and sean smith. president obama honored them on friday as he and we watched the flag draped coffins descend from a military plane. many of us, we are struck by this somber event and by the very images of american bodies shrouded in the flag. that image which for so long was censored until president obama lifted the 18-year ban in his first year in office. the policy was put into place by president george h.w. bush during the gulf war and was upheld by his son during the second gulf war in iraq serving only to obscure the true cost of war from so many american citizens. the president, alongside secretary of state hillary clinton, marked the contributions of our slain diplomats in maryland on friday. >> greater love hath no man than this. that a man lay down his life for his friends. the flag they serve under now carries them home. may god bless the memory of these men who laid down their lives fo
on tuesday, a gunman joined the crowd outside the embassy in benghazi, libya. breechg the compound walls and killing christopher stevens, tyrone woods and glenn doherty and sean smith. president obama honored them on friday as he and we watched the flag draped coffins descend from a military plane. many of us, we are struck by this somber event and by the very images of american bodies shrouded in the flag. that image which for so long was censored until president obama lifted the 18-year ban...
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consulate in benghazi. >> good morning, everybody. i am the vice president for foreign defense policy at the american enterprise institute. i am delighted to have two good friends join me this morning for a discussion of what has been a point on in libya, egypt c, and more broadly about the middle east. we put this together quickly and i am grateful for my colleagues to join me. we have been bureau chief of al arabia. brian is a senior fellow at the center for american progress, a think tank here in washington. we are going to try to follow a slightly different format. we are sitting a little bit more talk-show like. we are going to try to have a conversation. i hope we will be able to involve you after we began a little bit. i will turn to my colleagues and ask them to talk a little about what has been going on. the news this morning is that demonstrations are continuing throughout the region. we have gotten an apology from the president of egypt. it was long in coming. there have been four arrests made in libya there is also a littl
consulate in benghazi. >> good morning, everybody. i am the vice president for foreign defense policy at the american enterprise institute. i am delighted to have two good friends join me this morning for a discussion of what has been a point on in libya, egypt c, and more broadly about the middle east. we put this together quickly and i am grateful for my colleagues to join me. we have been bureau chief of al arabia. brian is a senior fellow at the center for american progress, a think...
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consulate in benghazi last week. that's the attack, of course, that left four americans dead, including the u.s. ambassador to libya. >>> this morning israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu was on the sunday shows insisting he's not trying to get involved in american politics. >> governor romney, for a year, and he said it in his convention speech, has said, quote, president obama has thrown allies like israel under the bus. do you agree or disagree with governor romney's charge? it's a serious charge. >> well, you're trying to get me into the american election, and i'm not going to do that. >> but last week benjamin netanyahu caused quite the stir when he called for a red line to be set against iran, essentially military action to stop the nuclear program before it produces a weapon. i want to bring back nia-malika henderson from "the washington post." bill, i'm going start with you because your name i can get. we know that benjamin netanyahu has known mitt romney for years. you met with the prime minister befor
consulate in benghazi last week. that's the attack, of course, that left four americans dead, including the u.s. ambassador to libya. >>> this morning israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu was on the sunday shows insisting he's not trying to get involved in american politics. >> governor romney, for a year, and he said it in his convention speech, has said, quote, president obama has thrown allies like israel under the bus. do you agree or disagree with governor romney's...
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the warning signs missed, in benghazi. apparently four other attacks leading up to it. there was one on june 5th in which an ied was thrown at the perimeter of the u.s. consulate. and then, the british ambassador's motorcade came under attack by an rpg. >> june 18th, gunman attacked a consulate and burned a flag on august 6th and even the red cross building in benghazi was struck by rpg's and didn't leave any disinterested be observer who believe our americans were sitting ducks at that consulate. and by the way, in the face of this evidence in sudan and the fact in libya, the fact that the sudanese government is preventing u.s. marines to enter the country to protect our own embassy. not to invade sudan, but protect americans in american embassy is american soil, and the fact that we're standing for it. >> peter: it's a puniercolating issue and based on the lack of relationship that we now understand that we have. >> tucker: we're the united states government, the most powerful in the history of the world and trying to protect our citizens on our own soil. >> peter: an
the warning signs missed, in benghazi. apparently four other attacks leading up to it. there was one on june 5th in which an ied was thrown at the perimeter of the u.s. consulate. and then, the british ambassador's motorcade came under attack by an rpg. >> june 18th, gunman attacked a consulate and burned a flag on august 6th and even the red cross building in benghazi was struck by rpg's and didn't leave any disinterested be observer who believe our americans were sitting ducks at that...
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chris: but governor romney was suggesting weakness and now the tarke on our consulate in benghazi where four americans were murdered. >> we express immediately when we feel that the president and his administration have done something which is inconsistent with the principles of america. chris: a similar test after the failed mission to rescue the iranian hostages, during the presidential campaign of 1980, governor ronald reagan did not use a vulnerable moment to crilt size president carter. -- to criticize president carter. >> words should be few and confined to our prayers. because of the extremely sensitive nature of the situation, i am convinced that it is and would be inappropriate for me to go beyond the statement i have made to you at this time. chris: david, he certainly looked presidential even then as a candidate. and by not talking at a time of confusion, if you will, this time, however, romney jumped. how do you look at that? >> ronald reagan sounded presidential precisely becau he was calm, because he didn't attempt to assert himself. didn't try to take advantage. mitt romn
chris: but governor romney was suggesting weakness and now the tarke on our consulate in benghazi where four americans were murdered. >> we express immediately when we feel that the president and his administration have done something which is inconsistent with the principles of america. chris: a similar test after the failed mission to rescue the iranian hostages, during the presidential campaign of 1980, governor ronald reagan did not use a vulnerable moment to crilt size president...
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qaeda has released a statement and although it doesn't take responsibility directly for this attack in benghazi it has said that the attack was in response to the killing of all kind is the number to buy you a stroke at the same time we're also hearing that the f.b.i. has to respond a visit to libya to deal with the investigation because of security concerns in that country now also on saturday there were demonstrations in the capital from city of paris where the demonstrations were taking place near the american consulate there have also been demonstrations in belgian and american protesters there clashed with police and as i mentioned earlier demonstrations are still taking place in yemen there would be no clue at all clear that has cord for more protests and also more claims of american stuff when those on saturday would be one of the shots fired in yemen during clashes to bring the crowds of protesters from the to the american embassy there were also being demonstrations in sydney australia where the police used tear gas to quiet at crowds we know that. the muslim population in australia is
qaeda has released a statement and although it doesn't take responsibility directly for this attack in benghazi it has said that the attack was in response to the killing of all kind is the number to buy you a stroke at the same time we're also hearing that the f.b.i. has to respond a visit to libya to deal with the investigation because of security concerns in that country now also on saturday there were demonstrations in the capital from city of paris where the demonstrations were taking...
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what they did with egypt, with benghazi, with so many dictators, they were supporting them because it suit at that time the strategic interests and the economic interests. so the point for me was to deal with this and to be very cautious with wording. i was not buying from the very beginning this perception, oh, it's the arab spring, these are revolutions. i started by saying let us be cautiously optimistic. something is happening which is great. and what is great is what i call in the book and in the title the awakening. and the awakening is the awakening of the arab mind and the intellectual revolution with people understanding, yes, it's possible to get rid of dictators, it's possible to change the country. this is irreversible. that cannot be chaingd. and this is something which is a legacy, a shift which is very promising for the now and for the future. now to speak about revolutions that are achieved and i don't know, i still don't know. so i don't know today if what is happening in egypt is an unfinished or an unachieved revolution. i don't know what is happening with what is h
what they did with egypt, with benghazi, with so many dictators, they were supporting them because it suit at that time the strategic interests and the economic interests. so the point for me was to deal with this and to be very cautious with wording. i was not buying from the very beginning this perception, oh, it's the arab spring, these are revolutions. i started by saying let us be cautiously optimistic. something is happening which is great. and what is great is what i call in the book and...